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	<title>Kommentare zu: Going Web2.0?</title>
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	<description>Alexandra Thinks About Things</description>
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		<title>Von: KDE announces a new forum site &#171; Komandeering Developers Everywhere</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE announces a new forum site &#171; Komandeering Developers Everywhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] IRC to mailing lists to blogs to wikis to forums to microblogging to various Web 2.0 gateways to the upcoming Dot conversion, we find [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] IRC to mailing lists to blogs to wikis to forums to microblogging to various Web 2.0 gateways to the upcoming Dot conversion, we find [...]</p>
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		<title>Von: Matija "hook" Šuklje</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija "hook" Šuklje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also possible integration with already existing KDE pages could prove interesting. E.g.:

* KDevelop —&gt; export to kde-apps.org, qt-apps.org
* DigiKam, Krita, Karbon14, Gwenview ... —&gt; export to kde-look.org
* Kate, KOrganizer, KOffice, ... —&gt; export to kde-files.org

I&#039;m sure many other examples could be made where one could have something in the lines of KGetHotNewStuff (well, actually to complement it), but for uploading newly made content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also possible integration with already existing KDE pages could prove interesting. E.g.:</p>
<p>* KDevelop —&gt; export to kde-apps.org, qt-apps.org<br />
* DigiKam, Krita, Karbon14, Gwenview &#8230; —&gt; export to kde-look.org<br />
* Kate, KOrganizer, KOffice, &#8230; —&gt; export to kde-files.org</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure many other examples could be made where one could have something in the lines of KGetHotNewStuff (well, actually to complement it), but for uploading newly made content.</p>
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		<title>Von: Bogdan Bivolaru</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogdan Bivolaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t a free software service for photo sharing because providers think there isn&#039;t enough market for it. So every community should make a photo sharing space and therefore build the need for such a service. If there is no need for this specific service, then there is no demand for it and there will be no providers.

I believe freedom service promoters should not try to bring down proprietary services - they should encourage more freedom supporters join them and, then if the provider refuses to open the service, they should build their own service.

This way a free software service will start with a ready made user base. So use what works and in the meantime build your own, better freedom service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t a free software service for photo sharing because providers think there isn&#8217;t enough market for it. So every community should make a photo sharing space and therefore build the need for such a service. If there is no need for this specific service, then there is no demand for it and there will be no providers.</p>
<p>I believe freedom service promoters should not try to bring down proprietary services &#8211; they should encourage more freedom supporters join them and, then if the provider refuses to open the service, they should build their own service.</p>
<p>This way a free software service will start with a ready made user base. So use what works and in the meantime build your own, better freedom service.</p>
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		<title>Von: Jakob Petsovits</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob Petsovits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alexandra: Yup, true. Web service integration is indeed awesome when done right, let&#039;s just know when to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alexandra: Yup, true. Web service integration is indeed awesome when done right, let&#8217;s just know when to stop.</p>
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		<title>Von: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jakob: I am aware of this &#039;draw-in&#039; phenomenon. It is indeed annoying for various reasons.

The services I mentioned make content publicly available though. There is no need to register if you don&#039;t want to and you will have access to everything nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jakob: I am aware of this &#8216;draw-in&#8217; phenomenon. It is indeed annoying for various reasons.</p>
<p>The services I mentioned make content publicly available though. There is no need to register if you don&#8217;t want to and you will have access to everything nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>Von: Jakob Petsovits</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob Petsovits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Flavio&#039;s concerns. Personally, I hate being sucked into closed platforms. Like, &quot;all our photo albums are in StudiVZ, won&#039;t you join too so you can look at them?&quot;

That&#039;s my real concern about web service integration. I don&#039;t care where other people store their data, but drawing their friends (i.e. me) into the same closed services is *not cool* and imho something that KDE should not actively encourage.

I even wrote a blog entry on that matter recently - http://jakob.petsovits.at/web-is-new-freeware - which was originally intended for a KDE audience, but I didn&#039;t want my first post on Planet KDE to be a negative one so I kept it for myself (and Planet Drupal, which is less sensitive on free software matters of anyways).

The dependency on proprietary code is fading away quickly. But if we keep going on like this, we&#039;ll be dependent on just as proprietary social web services instead in the future - the only difference being that they don&#039;t just hold the code to their sites but also the user&#039;s data, which is something that traditional proprietary vendors like Microsoft would not dare to do in their desktop software offerings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Flavio&#8217;s concerns. Personally, I hate being sucked into closed platforms. Like, &#8220;all our photo albums are in StudiVZ, won&#8217;t you join too so you can look at them?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my real concern about web service integration. I don&#8217;t care where other people store their data, but drawing their friends (i.e. me) into the same closed services is *not cool* and imho something that KDE should not actively encourage.</p>
<p>I even wrote a blog entry on that matter recently &#8211; <a href="http://jakob.petsovits.at/web-is-new-freeware" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://jakob.petsovits.at/web-is-new-freeware'>http://jakob.petsovits.at/web-is-new-freeware</a> &#8211; which was originally intended for a KDE audience, but I didn&#8217;t want my first post on Planet KDE to be a negative one so I kept it for myself (and Planet Drupal, which is less sensitive on free software matters of anyways).</p>
<p>The dependency on proprietary code is fading away quickly. But if we keep going on like this, we&#8217;ll be dependent on just as proprietary social web services instead in the future &#8211; the only difference being that they don&#8217;t just hold the code to their sites but also the user&#8217;s data, which is something that traditional proprietary vendors like Microsoft would not dare to do in their desktop software offerings.</p>
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		<title>Von: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your responses!

@Flavio: This is true. I know I&#039;m walking a tight line here and try to find something that suits a FOSS project best. Unfortunately, that&#039;s not so easy. There is movement, but we&#039;re not there yet.

@Matija: Good points. I agree on many of those. I gathered a couple of ideas here to get feedback and suggestions. What has to be decided on is how many downsides we actually are willing to take before we consider the whole thing not worth the struggle. I still think we will come up with a useful solution.

@Bogdan: I will surely document it as soon as this really happens and point everybody there. And I don&#039;t intend to come up with a final decision on this blog. No need to worry. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your responses!</p>
<p>@Flavio: This is true. I know I&#8217;m walking a tight line here and try to find something that suits a FOSS project best. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not so easy. There is movement, but we&#8217;re not there yet.</p>
<p>@Matija: Good points. I agree on many of those. I gathered a couple of ideas here to get feedback and suggestions. What has to be decided on is how many downsides we actually are willing to take before we consider the whole thing not worth the struggle. I still think we will come up with a useful solution.</p>
<p>@Bogdan: I will surely document it as soon as this really happens and point everybody there. And I don&#8217;t intend to come up with a final decision on this blog. No need to worry. :)</p>
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		<title>Von: Maki</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>Maki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that computer technology goes 360 degrees , the client/server concept is coming back on a big door, The only problem is the freedom of those services, privacy etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that computer technology goes 360 degrees , the client/server concept is coming back on a big door, The only problem is the freedom of those services, privacy etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Von: marce</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>marce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a think all of KDE lacks of, users assuming &quot;poor marketing&quot; responsabilities, with the agreement of developers and maintainers, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a think all of KDE lacks of, users assuming &#8220;poor marketing&#8221; responsabilities, with the agreement of developers and maintainers, of course.</p>
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		<title>Von: Bogdan Bivolaru</title>
		<link>http://untangled.biz/blog/net/going-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogdan Bivolaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great, but we would need to document it better.
Something like a page on a wiki (but which one?). Just one blogpost won&#039;t be enough to gather all that is needed to join this koffice community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, but we would need to document it better.<br />
Something like a page on a wiki (but which one?). Just one blogpost won&#8217;t be enough to gather all that is needed to join this koffice community.</p>
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